Recognizing our contribution to our nation's economy, we work to listen and respond to customers' needs, maintain strong corporate governance, provide value to investors, and strategically invest to keep our rail network strong. Remember, in the time when the basic crew agreements and the 100 mile day were originated,when after the implementation of the Hours of Service laws - those laws had a maximum on duty time of 16 hours - 16 hours for a 100 mile run equals 6.25 MPH. If. Drawback for those that don't live near Clinton is the drive. 1,907 177 39. No, I think Rawlins is still very much used for everything but"shooters" (hotshots), which go all the way to Green River without achange. Same with RR'ers in TEY service. BNSF crews frequently change crews here at Eola yard in Aurora, IL. We're proud to tell our story and how we strive to be a trusted partner worthy of your respect. Does the UP still have a Proviso to Boone long pool? Sometimes it would take the the full 16 hours on the HOS to make the run. Here we highlight stories centered on our safety culture and why it is ingrained in everything we do. Our community is FREE to join. The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of. BNSF crew changes: * Denver east: used to be in Akron, CO, but I think they moved it all the way out to McCook, NE. myemployer, any other railroad, company, or person. Garrett - Chciago is about 150 miles while Williard - Chicago is around 280. She also said some of the claims that BNSF is making, especially in regard to working hours, time off, and leave, are misleading. Click here to learn about the Unlimited Membership. Additionally, if employees fall into the top 10 percent of hours worked, they can earn points. Existing Suppliers may access the Supplier Portal here. It's a way to stay informed about the company, learn more about how freight rail contributes to our way of life, explore the company's rich history and connect with other BNSF supporters. Thanks for joining us! Note that the Puget Sound Extension and the WP were built in the 1905-1910 time frame and train speeds were up significantly from 30 to 40 years earlier. We didn't linger too long for obvious reasons. Knutson said he thinks the policy was implemented for several reasons. It has brought morale down to an all-time low.". It is interesting when you look at old ETT's. Stay current with what BNSF is doing to operate a safe rail network, on our network, in the communities through which we operate and the services we offer. Yermo isn't much more than a wide spot in the road that the I-15 bypassed. Information about the railroad through Flagstaff, Arizona The rail line through Flagstaff is operated by the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF). "At any given time, there are about 300 trains running along the Transcon," added Rasmussen. Note that the Puget Sound Extension and the WP were built in the 1905-1910 time frame and train speeds were up significantly from 30 to 40 years earlier. They also handle (normally) the salad shooters. On the CPR, in Canada, the longest crew district is the Brooks Sub. I know OTR truckers are only to work so many hours before they have to sign out and rest. This website is best viewed in Chrome or Safari. No? Her husband is also a conductor. The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota. Correct on the Rawlins/Green River crew change. All in all, it is an interesting aspect to the industry. The Hi-Viz policy impacts all employees, not just the ones that are operating trains. Most of those are of a standard BNSF design; the center piece, providing 23 feet, 6 inches of clearance over the lower main line, is an 87 four-girden deck-plate steel span. This doesn't mean that runs were only 100 miles then or 130 miles now. No, they never had aProviso- Boone long pool. Thanks again,everyone! Many times after the adoptionof the 130 mile day, the terminals didn't change. Then Alliance, NE? I can remember when the "featherbedding" talk began, about needing to keep crews in the trains longer because the trains were faster and did they really need three men in the cab and two in the rear. For instance, Sanford, Florida, was the south end of one railroad and the north end of another; both roads were absorbed by the Plant System--which went into the Atlantic Coast Line. The dispatchers were forced to make better meets, yardmasters to get trains out of the yards better and so on. Staying at one of the lodging motels can be interesting, but I wouldnt suggest being too inquiring these days. Othello, WA to Tacoma, WA, running thru Cle Elum was also instituted. One thing to remember is there are some long and some short pools. The mainliners just blast through town. Seems I recall a map in trains a while back showing this. BNSF's secure customer website enables shipment tracking, bill payment, and more. Melstone was almost certainly a crew change location in that it was almost exactly halfway between Harlow and Miles, along with being the only spot between Roundup and Miles City with more than two parallel tracks. At times they will change within minutes of stopping at the "crosswalk" where employees cross the mainline, and at other times the incoming crew will "tie down" their train on the main-line and the train will wait for literally hours on the main for the outgoing (new) crew. Here we focus on topics that illustrate our commitment to where we live and work. When crews are tight on either pool at either end, they use crews out of either pool. > * Denver northeast: Sterling, CO? Back in my road days, when we'd end up at a hotel after a very long and tiring trip, and some guy who was obviously an over-eager railfan would see us and ask us if we were railroaders, we'd always answer: NOPE! Get the newest photos, videos, stories, and more from Trains.com brands. Others are where two adjacent crew districts were merged into one, with the crews running through the former change point between the two on all, or most trains. If anybody could help me out, that would be awesome. Whenthe pool was smaller, you had to have about 30 years in to hold it. Even a 25 MPH scheduled speed would result in an 8 hour trip. In Gillette, she said they have just two new hires compared to 18 that have left since the Hi-Viz policy was implemented. The hotel provides transportation for thecrews and for passengers who come in or go out of the station in Renssalaer, and it is possible to ride in a van with the railroad employees. In Canada CN began running longer crew districts on the prairies in the 1990's, I think. They can only work 12 hours by federal law. Then run pools (through Clinton) to Missouri Valley (hot intermodals only), to Boone (everything else), and pools to Des Moines and Mason City. A couple less employees to receive benefits. LIONS with CAMERAS. Now, nearly 100 percent of the route is double-tracked; only two bridges remain single-tracked along the route. 16. Other changes on the PCE were Alberton, MT to St. Maries, ID and St. Maries, ID to Othello, WA. Men in chain gang freightservice preferred being called in McCombfor a run to Gwin, since it was farther than a run to New Orleans. The MBI book "BNSF Railway" has an excellent map that pinpoints all the BNSF crew change points as of 2005. Learn more about how the Amarillo project enhances the entire Southern Transcon in this video: Please subscribe to receive occasional email newsletters keeping you in the loop about BNSF and customized for where you live. Maybe an old BN expert can help us here, but didn't BN change some crew districts in Montana to run up to 450 miles? Good threads on this string. OK, LION knows that tey went from 100 mile runs to 200 mile runs some time about 10 years ago. The project in Amarillo was completed in early September. Highlighting our commitment to safety, service, communities and our heritage. All in all, it is an interesting aspect to the industry. At times they will change within minutes of stopping at the "crosswalk" where employees cross the mainline, and at other times the incoming crew will "tie down" their train on the main-line and the train will wait for literally hours on the main for the outgoing (new) crew. Official site: Where are the crew change points between Belen and Barstow, and are Belen and Barstow themselves also crew change points? Don't worry, we won't send you too many. Seattle / Spokane / Hauser, ID / Whitefish, MT / Havre, MT / Glasgow, MT / Minot, ND / Fargo, ND / MSP, MN / La Crosse, WI / Chicago . "Almost every single day we go to work sick or tired because lineups are terrible," she admitted. I doubt many trains could've made the extra 70 or so miles to Rochelle on their hours. Men in road service on the Louisiana Division of the IC were based in McComb, Mississippi, which is about 100 miles from New Orleans and from Canton, Mississippi--and about 149 miles from Gwin, Mississippi, on the route through the Delta(the last two were junctions with the Tennessee Division) Passenger trains ran between Canton and New Orleans, and through freights ran between Gwin and New Orleans, on the Louisiana Division. To participate you must either login or register for an account. I was wondering about crewchangepoints along the UP and BNSF in the Midwest. I doubt many trains could've made the extra 70 or so miles to Rochelle on their hours. I find it ironic that the MILW expandend some of their districts just as deferredmaintenance caused speeds to drop. Jeff, another hotel where you can rub shoulders with men in road service is the Clarion Hotel in Albany, N.Y. Amazing the mass of RR knowledge amongst the members of this forum. I know one is La Crosse, WI and I'm guessing those crews run to the Twin Cities. There really are some Knowledgeable Fans out there. BNSF, like other Class I railroads, operates around the clock, seven days a week, every day of the year, and in all weather conditions. Going the extra mile for our customers and our communities. Usually, the two crew districts that abutted became one double-ended district. Barstow MP 745.9 Home to a very large classification yard and crew change point for the BNSF. It just affects the waythe train crew's pay is calculated. November 3, 2022 INDEPENDENCE, Ohio, (Nov. 3, 2022) The BLET and SMART-TD will host a joint town hall meeting next week to discuss the tentative national rail agreement. A decline in coal traffic, fewer employees when rail traffic began to rise, and the desire to operate the railroad with fewer employees are all contributing factors, he says. I just remembered, while sitting in the Oak Tree Inn at Clinton, IA, that they are the UP's contracted provider for crew lodging away from home. Would this be the right list for the Transcon? This is part one of a video I made on my tour 8 across the country 2018 stopping in Needles California at the BNSF train yard to catch one of the many trains. If going via the old C&S/FW&D its Trinidad, Texline, Amarillo,then Wichita Falls.If going via C&S to Trinidad and then ATSF it would be aC&S crew to Trinidad, then ATSF crew to Raton then Albuquerque. "I would love to get whoever made this policy happen or said okay to it to come and join us for a week on how it is day to day," she urged. (I've heard about helpers living in Tabernash but don't know if that's a permanent thing or not. Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. In order to get a minimum speed of 12 or so MPH on the 0.5% ruling grades, the locomotives should have been able to maintain 25 or more MPH on level track, hence my wondering about 200 mile crew changes. Get in touch with us using the Media Contacts list on the left. BNSF modified their policy on June 1. showing freights running at 50+ MPH between Miles City and Harlowton, which would put the start to stop time at a bit over 4 hours. Paul MN. While it may not save the railroad money on wages, it saves them on the cost of benefits. I thought they also did a UPcrew district map too, but I may be thinking about a map on the UP company website. -Ryan [ Reply To This Message ] [ Quote ] Date: 07/18/07 21:48 OK, LION knows that tey went from 100 mile runs to 200 mile runs some time about 10 years ago. Long pools for some runs where Intermodals can skip crew changes, but slower freights can't. Plus a new pool might be in place to handle the New Baltimore intermodal terminal. (Except when that train gets too long, then it goes back to the short pool.) It is approximately 185 miles long, which was a huge accomplishment back then. I'm a teetotaler, so that thought is never on my mind. EDIT: To answer the original poster's question I checked with what limited ressources I have, and found the following CP (ex Soo Line) crew change points in his part of the world. BNSF plays a vital role in our economys supply chain, moving freight across our nation every day. The 100 mile day was based on how far you would travel in 8 hours at a speed of 12.5 mph. Zug, you guys must have really been tired. (Some of these are the same ones who always complained about the long pool because the LP crewsusually get priority to get over the road, no matter what type of train they are on, so they usually go around you.). Correct, the hours of service were changed as follows: 16 hours to 14 hours on December 26, 1970, 14 hours to 12 hours on December 26, 1972. She said the policy isn't compassionate toward employees. Although you may have to be a subscriber to access it, there is a map of BNSF crew districts in the Trains'Railroad Reference section under railroad maps. Here, youll find news releases, customer notifications and media assets available for use by news organizations. On the CPR, in Canada, the longest crew district is the Brooks Sub. In Iowa, they started running Atkins, IA on the Council Bluffs main and Nahant (Davenport) on the KC line. Garrett - Chciago is about 150 miles while Williard - Chicago is around 280. KINGMAN is an AMTRAK only crew change. CP never owned any of those ginormous tenders like the Santa Fe had to get across the arid areas they served. Lately, they are alsohandling most of the auto racks and one Q manifest. Anyone on the seniority district can work the pool, assumingthey have the seniority. I recall seeing a Steffee speed survey (mid-1960's?) > * Cheyenne west: Rawlins (Green River for hotshots? myemployer, any other railroad, company, or person. The satellite view clearly shows impressions of a turntable and roundhouse across the highway from the town. Although you may have to be a subscriber to access it, there is a map of BNSF crew districts in the Trains'Railroad Reference section under railroad maps. I'll try to compile the info and post it here again foreveryone to double-check. Crew changes can happen anywhere of course, but crews do frequently change in Savanna, IL which is the convergence of the C&I line to Chicago and the Barstow Sub south to Galesburg. U.S. and global economies rely on rail, and BNSF is a vital link in the global supply chain. Heres where one railroads train crews go to work, where they lay over, and the tangled routes in between. BNSF Railway's first-in-the-industry Tribal Relations program seeks to build and strengthen ties . Maybe an old BN expert can help us here, but didn't BN change some crew districts in Montana to run up to 450 miles? "The Belen cutoff was established in 1908 and that was really the first major enhancement," explained Craig Rasmussen, assistant vice president, Engineering Services and Structures. We offer a library of downloadable files, forums to exchanges messages, news and more. Welcome to the BNSF newsroom. All Rights Reserved. BNSF Crew Change Locations In order to set up activities for the BNSF and other railroads, I can't recall anyone putting out any kind of a list for where crew changes take place. Zug, I still enjoy talking with railroad employees, but I am very careful about initiating conversations. From then to now trains on this subdivision are crewed by running trades employees whose home terminals are at Toronto and Smiths Falls. )* UP east from Grand Junction??? Use this page to find the right person at BNSF to answer your supplier questions. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. .so far" thread who said that through frieghts now use only one crew, but way freights are still supplied with crews on each Sub. 546 posts BNSF Crew Change Points (Transcon and Hi Line) Posted by Doublestack on Monday, June 4, 2007 10:39 PM Good evening, Someone recently asked me how many crew changes it takes to get from Chicago to LA vs. Chicago to Seattle. Seems I recall a map in trains a while back showing this. However, the longestcrew division is CP's Belleville Subdivision from Smiths Falls ONto Toronto Yard (197 track miles) where the Toronto Terminal officially begins or ends. Many owe their existence to it. Satellite view on Google maps shows a lot of empty lots in the town and I guess that the population may have been 300 to 500 at its peak. CP never owned any of those ginormous tenders like the Santa Fe had to get across the arid areas they served. If anybody could help me out, that would be awesome. Just west of Minot, the train rolled over the 1792-foot-long, 117-foot-tall Gassman Coulee Trestle, one of many high steel bridges on the GN. Seems like I'm missing at least 1 (maybe btwn Clovis and KC?). If a system map is an archaeological record of mergers, acquisitions, abandonments, and line sales, then a crew-district map is the record of all of these, plus technological change and traffic pattern change, with a great deal of law and contract negotiations mixed in. The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota. erikem For nearly 170 years, BNSF has been safely and efficiently transporting freight and helping shape our country's history. In a perfect world, a crew-district is a days work. Radio Frequencies: AAR 55, 160.935, DS-10, Winslow to Seligman; AAR 36 160.650 DS-11 Seligman to Topock; AAR 55 160.935 Topock to Needles. When crews are tight on either pool at either end, they use crews out of either pool. Re: BNSF Crew Change Points Author: BN7149 The railroad is run as an East-West route. Railroad systems are divided into subdivisions, usually between crew change points. Crew Change Points, Belen to Barstow; Discussion related to BNSF operations. At BNSF, we are proud and honored to receive recognitions from various organizations. So if you want to rub elbows with train crews while you travel, the Oak Tree is the place to do it. Apply early as this job may be filled at any time. This year BNSF will spend nearly $2.6 billion to maintain its system, including 11,000 miles of track surfacing work, replacement of 489 miles of rail and nearly 2.7 million ties. If I recall correctly, the Miles City to Harlowtown run was one crew district which works out to 215 miles. * Denver northeast: Sterling, CO? Unlimited Members, sign in to enjoy sitewide access. One of this year's projects was to add a fourth main through Amarillo, Texas. Anyone on the seniority district can work the pool, assumingthey have the seniority. http://www.oaktreeinn.com/Hotels is a current list of hotels. Would this be in the ballpark for the Hi Line? Sterling, then Guernsey for most trains, Alliancethen Edgemont, Gillette, Sheridan if they are going that way. The project required the company to move about 3.6 million tons of rock, lay 5 miles of new track, and build nine new bridges with a combined length of about 3,000 feet. BNSF moves about a third of all intermodal volume in North America. In older times, it would take much longer as the trains were slower. The railroad has been one of the major economic drivers and employers for many of the Wyoming communities it passes through. Barstow CA. This change made two crew districts out of what were three, running thru the traditional terminals atAvery, ID and Malden, WA. Find the right person at BNSF to answer your question by filling out our form. And, crew change points were (and still are)not always the same for engine crews and for train crews on the same train. "The attendance policy we had in the past, it would allow basically any person to take two weekend days and five weekdays per month off," he explained. Today, 41 years later and the HOS at 12 hours (changed Dec. 26, 1972) the crew usually do not have trouble making it from SLO to LA (which is still inter-divisional, but only a one ended pool). Zug, I still enjoy talking with railroad employees, but I am very careful about initiating conversations. The contract has major safety implicationsespecially amid North America's dangerous, and sometimes deadly, crude-by-rail boom. Feel free to fill inanything I'm missing. Then Alliance, NE? Here is what I think I know about some of the crew districts andhelper districts in and around Colorado. This web site is for you if you are interested in railway simulations. (Except when that train gets too long, then it goes back to the short pool.) Crew districts are not static. In February, BNSF instituted an attendance policy known as Hi-Viz, which drew immediate criticism from employees and railroad unions. The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of. Someone recently asked me how many crew changes it takes to get from Chicago to LA vs. Chicago to Seattle. Goodson said that if employees work on the weekends, they can earn a single point to add to their total. But she added that incentive ultimately rewards those who take little, if any, time off and who don't need the points anyway. I believe it was cptrainman of the "Hunter, . In these stories you'll meet some of the thousands of diverse, talented, and dedicated employees who do their part to keep freight moving for our customers. Things changed since Sept 11, 2001. BNSF crew change points. The reason why so many (former complainers included) drive to workit, it's set up to work about 8 round trips per month and pays good. Some were/are longer, some were/are shorter. The oldest long crew division on CP in Canada is the BrooksSubdivision from Medicine Hat to Alyth (Calgary). Apparently extending crew districts is in E. Hunter Harrison's bag of tricks, which as far as I know now, he hasn't yet pulled out. Good threads on this string. Since crews are usually pooled on a first-in, first-out basis, everyone still has the same opportunity to rack up miles and thus pay. LEARN MORE Tribal Relations. LIONS with CAMERAS. Ogden, Salt Lake Cityor Pocatello is after Green River. All engine crews changed in McComb; thus all passenger engine crews ran 100 miles from start to finish. Subscribers, sign in to access exclusive content. It employs about 40,000 people and operates in 28 states on over 32,000 miles of track throughout its system. As trains have become faster, many intermediate terminals have been dissolved, with the trains running through. Crew changes can happen anywhere of course, but crews do frequently change in Savanna, IL which is the convergence of the C&I line to Chicago and the Barstow Sub south to Galesburg. BNSF modified their policy on June 1. The BNSF classification yard looking east. Here aresome places I know they run helpers at least occassionally: * BNSF/UP: Denver to Palmer Lake* BNSF/UP: Denver to Winter Park (Does BNSF use helpers? The away terminal is the opposite end of their run, and the crews get their 8-hours rest in a motel provided by the company that is to say, whats left of the 8 hours after travel time to and from the motel, a meal, a shower and, of course, the crew-caller can call 6.5 hours after tie-up time. Even a 25 MPH scheduled speed would result in an 8 hour trip. > > BNSF crew changes:> * Denver east: used to be in Akron, CO, but I think they moved it all> the way out to McCook, NE. BNSF crews frequently change crews here at Eola yard in Aurora, IL. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. BNSF Crew Change Points (Transcon and Hi Line). EDIT: To answer the original poster's question I checked with what limited ressources I have, and found the following CP (ex Soo Line) crew change points in his part of the world. Meanwhile, BNSF is spending $581 million this year to forge . Welcome to the BNSF Railway at Edgemont South Dakota website. "The Hi-Viz was only partially responsible for them getting people back. Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. Nothing against the over-eager railfans, but the only thing we wanted to think about was sleep. The reason why so many (former complainers included) drive to workit, it's set up to work about 8 round trips per month and pays good. I recall seeing a Steffee speed survey (mid-1960's?) Get updates and special offers via email from Trains.com brands! Lowest Point : 456 ft @ Topock, AZ. UP crew changes:* Denver east: no idea* Denver south: Pueblo* Denver west: Bond, then Grand Junction* Denver north: Cheyenne* Pueblo south: same as BNSF, presumably* Cheyenne east: North Platte* Cheyenne west: Rawlins (Green River for hotshots? She apologized andI pardoned her and let her go on to wherever it was she needed to go quickly. When they eventually finish their Blair and Clinton projects(not any time soon) I expect a push tochange the crew districts. Back in the 60's, the SP had a run out of Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, CA. This line is known as the Seligman Subdivision, and stretches between Winslow, AZ, and Needles, CA, both of which are crew change Jeff:Thanks for the explanations. UP on the east/westline crewbases or change points are: Proviso IL, West Chicago IL (some trains), Clinton IA,Boone IA (short pool), Missouri Valley IA (Clinton long pool), Fremont NE (short pool out of Boone) North Platte NE.