When you think about it, in his journals he didn't have too much positive to say across the board. The two would . As we ourselves have often concluded in class, it seems Sue also came to the understanding that the massacre was the culmination of a number of different factors for Dylan, none of which on their own would have created such an act. I certainly understand how they feel. He was a sociopath and needed drugs and a really good psychiatrist. In any case, teenagers can be quite unfair to their parents. He was afraid Dylan might be involved. The Klebolds said their son was set off by the toxic culture of the school, where athletes were worshipped and bullying was tolerated. VOTN, I have Cullen's book but have not yet started it. They believe what they want to believe. As the mother of Columbine High School shooter Dylan Klebold prepares to speak out in her first interview since the gruesome 1999 shooting massacre, a survivor of the attacks has . It didn't help matters any that our father was an abusive asshole. "Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting". Dylan Klebold led life of religious contradictions - J. Hell, Klebold and a bunch of their friends went to the prom the weekend before the killings. In this difficult, jarring talk, Klebold explores the intersection between mental health and violence . Harris was a "budding psychopath, a person without a conscience," he said. Press J to jump to the feed. The deadliest school shooting in the United States was the Virginia Tech massacre, with 33 fatalities and 23 injuries. Columbine Shooters Had Tense Moment Over Passover Remark, Mother Very few people really care. On April 20, 1999, two teenage gunmen kill 13 people in a shooting spree at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, south of Denver. There are also certain traits that lead to a school itself being more or less at risk for a shooting event: an inflexible culture, inequitable discipline, tolerance for disrespectful behavior, and a code of silence (p. 315). Eric says if either the clerk or his father had asked just one question, "we would have been fucked.". When I was in high school, i was friends with a guy who very well could have done what those kids did. It would drive me insane to have my kids behave like that, but some people are utterly oblivious to the cacaphony and strife being caused by their children. From her comment on her official website, she felt it was disrespectful to focus on the killers when today should be all about the victims. Dylanx92s father worked from home and saw his son every day. From many angles, Dylan was the average kid any parent would want. If only we would have asked the right questions." His parents were Wayne and Katherine. we only know so much and there have probably been incidents we dont know about. 1/12 Tom is home from the hospital. She just took interest and responsibility for what I did as long as I was both underage and under her roof. It didn't seem to slow down the ordinary media train. Let's set aside the pipe bomb issue and Eric's scrapes with the law for a moment and ask why they weren't more involved with their kid. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. Children learn psychopathy from their parents (e.g., the Bushes). Denver area Jews, meanwhile, have expressed discomfort at the emphasis being paid to Klebold's alleged Jewishness. R16 = Female with daddy issues who doesn't take kindly to unkind remarks toward her fellow twats. In their first interview since the Columbine High School massacre, the parents of one of the killers said they feel no need be forgiven and didnt realize their son was beyond hope until after he was dead. Dylan Klebold was interviewed inside the Columbine libary on January 30th, 1998. x93There is no comfort for parents here,x94 Cullen told me yesterday. On April 20, 1999, when Sue Klebold heard about a shooting incident at Columbine High School, her thoughts immediately turned to her 17-year-old son, Dylan, who was a senior there. As a teen, Dylans aversion to embarrassment became more severe, his self-consciousness more pointed. ". At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, dressed in trench coats, began shooting fellow students outside Columbine High School, located in a suburb south of Denver. What I am saying is that the cause is something deeper and more primal than "society.". But perhaps he/she IS a charter member of the Reb&VoDKa fan club - and you're just going to IGNORE it? His dad followed him around with a camcorder, capturing every move. Are Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris's parents to blame for the Columbine Weren't they in a small group of rebellious kids? Adam killed 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary. I can't find any photos of Eric's older brother, Kevin. New York: Crown. It's getting late; Eric looks at his watch and says it's 1:28 AM on March 15. Subject: Re: The Klebolds are DIVORCED Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:17 pm. It would be satisfying to blame the parents. The next deadliest school shooting (based on fatalities) was the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, with 27 fatalities. The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. To develop coping skills. As his father's career pulled him out of schools and away from friends leaving Plattsburgh, New York in 1993 for Colorado Harris increasingly retreated into the computer and . School shooters often show little attachment to their school. When the clerk told him "Hey, your clips are in." He became more paranoid, forcing them all to flee a McDonalds because he believed a group of teens on the other side of the store were laughing at him. He didn't even say hi to Tom or ask how he was. Ten years after the Columbine killings, the Harris family has not spoken publicly at all, and the Klebold parents have given one interview, to the columnist David Brooks here at the New York Times. 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron. But a new book, x93Columbine,x94 by Dave Cullen, reviews every bit of evidence about the shooting short of the parentsx92 firsthand accounts x97 25,000 pages of documents, including videotapes and journals of the killers x97 all of which point to the same chilling conclusion as the Carneal depositions: it is entirely possible for x93goodx94 parents to raise a murderer. R77, there are people who don't have feelings. Sorry. Victim's parents reactThe Klebolds comments was criticized late Saturday by some of the victims parents. She's spent years excavating every detail of her family life, trying to understand what she could have done to prevent her son's violence. This girl went on screaming for full minutes at a time - nobody came out of the house and told her to be quiet. The perpetrator often has faced peer or social rejection, endured bullying, has anger about the bullying, and lacks the social or coping skills to deal with these issues. The Denver Post Online - Columbine - Tragedy and Recovery And now she won't show it. Hey, Sci-fi-tologist, fuck off with your anti-psychology bullshit. [quote]Am I supposed to be impressed by dates, VOTN? Harris and Klebold met at Ken Caryl Middle School during their seventh grade year. Good thing I did because Dylan hasn't exactly risen to a level of responsibility in my absence. If a kid is screaming endlessy, you remove the child from the area. In 1997 Wayne Harris, Eric's father, started logging all of his son's problems. Is that correct? I had to fight for their basic rights because allegedly educated teachers thought things like "retards are dangerous" and "retards should be kept away from the good kids". The owner (a woman) had no qualms about going up to people with a screaming child and saying "You need to take ze child out to ze car vare he can calm down. I think it is really interesting to think about the many things that lead someone to commit a school shooting. VOTN, they used to think blood-letting and reading the bumps on people's head was science, too. Eric Harris' Parents & Brother, Wayne, Kathy & Kevin Harris: 5 Fast When I hear this "We never knew a thing was wrong with our child!" Sue Klebold with son Dylan in 1985. Credit: Sue Klebold via Penguin/Random House Tall, slim and graceful (her younger son was a gangly 193 centimetres tall), she is given to direct eye contact . A few weeks ago, I reviewed Sue Klebolds memoir A Mothers Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy, about her experience as the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine High School shooters. The couple took issue with people who say they forgive them for what happened. Looking back on the textbooks suggested traits of school shooters, weve already seen above how Dylan does actually map onto many of them. Ten years after the Columbine killings, the Harris family has not spoken publicly at all, and the Klebold parents have given one interview, to the columnist David Brooks here at the New York Times. As I often do, Ill leave the author the last word on why understanding the process her son went through is important: Dylan was vulnerable in many ways unquestionably emotionally immature, depressed, possibly suffering from a more serious mood or personality disorder. What is something of a mystery to me is why things reached the point they did. Im looking for possible warning signs of trouble between these two individuals and their father-son relationship. Neither seemed to know where or with whom he was most of the time. LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) _ Columbine High School gunman Dylan Klebold was a follower, not a leader, who went astray after he met Eric Harris, friends say. May 15, 2004. The narrator seemed to revel in the graphic violence he was depicting, but it was the final passage that was particularly disturbing, where Dylan conveyed unabashed awe and . Posted 3 years ago [quote]But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. Dylan Klebold's mother: 'I felt I was a good mom'. When someone is in a store, that is not their own private property. (Stephanie . The Klebolds are DIVORCED - Portal I don't believe I've said anything about gun control, of which this country has far too little of. Empathy; not so much. The attack on Columbine is almost a prototypical school shooting, but one way in which it stands out is that it was committed by two people together. We will just do the opposite and everyone will be safe. They could still have been on the outskirts of the school. Just three days before the shooting, he went to prom with a friend. The half-Jewish Dylan Klebold is more of a cipher. IIRC, they both had psychiatric attention. However, most people know they are guilty as sin and should burn in hell with their son. The Klebolds attorney, Gary Lozow, told The Denver Post the Klebolds had no plans to grant any other interviews. ", Dylan: (talks about how his parents taught him to be independent and self-reliant) "I appreciate that.". And society does not want to deal with real problems, so it easier to label people, and just forget about the whole thing. Their teenage son, along with his classmate Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999. His mom was trying to find the best fit for him, but I suspect it ended up being more difficult for him), and both enjoyed violent video games. He started getting in trouble, and complained of how certain groups of kids were ruthless bullies, yet the school did nothing to stop them. Dylans parents were hands-on parents who limited the intake of television and sugary cereals. Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . It is also true that environmental stimuli can make the difference between a kid with "problems" and a kid who becomes a "monster." psycho school, nasty students, bullshit teachers, ignorant parents, hormones, bullying, rage. 9-11-1981 -- 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron (21 at the time). Tom Klebold said they hope to understand someday why the shooting happened. He's wearing a plaid shirt, either dark blue or black with white; the shirt's untucked. The teachers at Columbine all seemed incredibly disengaged. ", Dylan: (interrupts) "We did what we had to do. As a literature teacher, symbolism is not lost on me. I kind of admire that. I couldn't do that to my family and I admit that I would never have the guts. The Denver Post Online - Columbine Massacre Sociopaths are born, but people who remain sociopaths as they age: either missed puberty; or had bad parents. I'm with VoTN on this one. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. By David Brooks. There is every likelihood that not a single teacher at Columbine cared enough to pay attention or, even if they did, knew enough to know what danger signs to look for. Columbine School Shooting - HISTORY Some folks do indeed work from very primitive brain impulses. Susan Francis Klebold ( ne Yassenoff; born March 25, 1949) is an American author and activist. When it came to intervention, these people had no idea what they should have been doing. Sue would later find out through his journals though that by sophomore year he was battling depression and suicidal thoughts. The parents cars were in the driveway. I go into Target and there are children shrieking like banshees in the shopping cart and the mother never says "Be quite. Tom and I failed to recognize these conditions and to curtail the influences violent entertainment, his friendship with Eric that exacerbated them. Theres to me a level of skepticism we have usually of course with the scraps of info we had, but also the slight weirdness/more to it/unreliability when it came down to this particular topic, Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylans best friend. It may have hurt him. They acknowledged they missed signs that their son was in trouble. Sue had no idea it was a life-and-death situation. They cry innocence and ignorance, when I know they were anything BUT. I am with R14 and 15. (The OP was looking for books on personality mirroring and other techniques sociopaths use). Thank you! "He got his satisfaction by dominating." Coni Sanders, whose father, Dave Sanders, a . He lays bare the callous brutality of mastermind Eric Harris and the quavering, suicidal Dylan Klebold, who went to the prom three days earlier and obsessed about love in his journal. After the killing: How parents of attackers cope. Wayne - who owned guns himself - told the clerk he hadn't ordered any clips. She is the author of A Mother's Reckoning, a book about the signs she missed of Dylan's mental state. And for a best friend, did they spend much time together at all? They have grown up to be (somewhat) upstanding members of society, but I don't see how it is so easy to go from knowing your kid is making crank calls and setting off amateur pipe bombs to seeing him as a psychopathic murderer. You can criticize psychiatry without being a Scientologist. His father was a geophysicist and a mother worked with the disabled . After-hours phone calls to Times officials were not returned, and Brooks did not immediately respond to an e-mail request for comment. What can I say, the mention of Dave Cullen's book piqued my curiosity. Yes, it's really terrible when there is the free-flow of information and ideas, isn't it? ", Eric: (shrugs) "My parents might have made some mistakes that they weren't really aware of. Focus on the mental. Or is your tiny mind only capable of two viewpoints? And then later on, how was he able to conceal his mental state so successfully? Wayne & Kathy Harris' son is widely seen as the . And then later on, how was he able to conceal his mental state so successfully? So we're back to Pavlov and Skinner. This page is focused on the tragedy as well as its perpetrators so we can try to better understand the psychology and motives behind this horrific event. Sue received a number of letters from people whod gone to Columbine who were more surprised that a shooting hadnt happened sooner than that one had happened at all. "He said, 'One of the boys my son shot said Dylan was a nice kid,' " Berg says. I believe it was either a sibling or playmates. His parents didnt understand the full extent of it, but high school wasnt turning out to be a kind place for him. (p. 277). Dylan Klebold Character Analysis. He deflates a lot of myths surrounding the event. I havent done anything for which I need forgiveness, Susan Klebold said. Dylan was giddy and beaming, all cleaned up for once. She went to Ohio State University where she dated Tom. Asking how instead of why allows us to frame the descent into self-destructive behavior as the process that it is. OP, I agree with you. When I was 16 my parents sure as hell would have known if I had firearms in my possession or were building pipe bombs anywhere near our home. Dylan Klebold Biography, Age, Height, Wife, Net Worth, Family Sue Klebold: My son was a Columbine shooter. This is my story | TED Talk The glaring one that Americans seem unable to see is the huge amount of available weapons in the US. If there is a hell, they are there, burning. Tom's surgery was today. Dylan Klebold: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com . His negative traits werent out of the ordinary either, really: he was very sensitive to embarrassment, which sometimes led to anger; and he was perhaps a little too independent, where he wouldnt ask for help even if he needed it like when he had to take a break from baseball after pains he never mentioned became so bad they caused his arm real damage. On Dylan's part, I think that in January 1999, he was depressed and preparing to die - distancing himself from those he loved, so that it would be easier for him to carry out the attack. Without advertising income, we can't keep making this site awesome for you. The Columbine Papers: What Their Parents Knew - TIME "So we're back to Pavlov and Skinner. . Dylan is wearing a black baseball cap on backward, exposing a "B" embroidered in white on the back of the hat - the Boston Red Sox logo. As much as it sucked I knew deep down that it was just a stage and that it wasn't real. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds likened the day of the shootings to a natural disaster in the interview with Brooks. additionally, dylan was definitely naturally shy. Christ R22/R32/R39 et all. "In my opinion, what went on in their home led to Columbine.". I mean, I purposefully avoided everything except a quick glance at the CNN and MSNBC frontpages, but they had stories about the anniversary pretty front and center. if anyone can correct or find the sources for me that would be greatly appreciated!