This one has my attention. I ordered a 6.5" twist barrel. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on J However, my take on this (as one who has owned and shot a 22-250, and 22-250 AI), is skip the Creedmoor if you handload. The choice will depend on the individual user and the quality of Alpha brass. Getting to 22CM from 6CM is a straight forward pass through a FL die. This left the straight neck-down of the rather vanilla 22-243win the most appealing option for those wanting more 22calperformance than a straight 22-250 would offer. I can actually smell the heat. Went with the Nosler's because of availability and price. However, after running basic ballistic numbers on the 22 CM it looked very interesting. The fact that gun owners are becoming more advanced than before is another reason we may be seeing so many new cartridges. JavaScript is disabled. Allow extra time for your barrel to cool between shots, and avoid rapid or sustained fire where possible. Excellent ballistic performance. You could even use 6.5mm brass, it would simply take more work to neck down. The throat is the part of the barrel where the bullet exits the cartridge and begins the rifling process, or in simpler terms, where the rifling begins. Sep 30, 2004. Most shooters first roll their eyes when hearing you say you have a 22 Creedmoor, just hearing the word Creedmoor, but they often do a double take a second or two later and ask, 22?. Satterlee Scott. The 22 CM has been making waves in the predator hunting circles since before 2014 and gaining popularity since. When starting with 6mm Creedmoor brass, you will need to neck it down to produce 22 Creedmoor. Bullet diameter.224, Shoulder angle30 degrees, Rim diameter.468, Case length1.92 inches, Primer typeLarge and small. $65.75. We frequently get questions about the application of this cartridge and what it's primarily used for. I picked up a whidden full length sizer, but have always used a modified 6.5 redding seater, Yes i did send in some chamber fired brass to whidden, seems pretty standard though, as for rigging up a seater , used a redding 22-250 stem in a 6.5 cm competition seater die, hope that helps. Accurate barrel life can defined as the point where precision will start to decline. Feature Articles, How to Estimate Range with the Mil-Dot Reticle. I think so, the 22 Creedmoor is a great shooting cartridge and the Meredith rifle shoots amazing. First off, what is a 22? Getting quality headstamped brass with no fire forming is what sets the 22 creedmoor apart from the 250ai. Anyone else running 90 berger or 95 sierra? This varies depending on your rifle, barrel, load, velocity and bullet. A barrel log should be kept for each rifle in your Shooting Record Book, or Field Data Book, and may also be stored on an electronic copy or cloud drive for safekeeping. Everyone has a different take on what they consider acceptable accuracy which will increase or decrease the numbers. This erosion is accelerated when cartridges are loaded hot (adding additional propellant) with the aim of increasing the bullets velocity. PRS matches typically limit bullet speeds to 3200 fps, which coincidentally works well since Copper Creek offers the 22 CM with a 95-grain SMK at 3160 fps based on a 24 barrel. I can tell you for an absolute fact that the 90 gr berger vld at 3400 fps is a death ray for white tails. On coyotes and varmints on the other hand, fire away! Your email address will not be published. You could achieve better barrel life going with a slower powder especially with the 80 and heavier bullet weights. You can also use Lemi Shine ultrasonic brass cleaners. Even "shot-out" barrels in an infamous barrel burner like the 220 Swift are usually in excellent condition at the cooler muzzle end. Both are 26. This would make him the first documented person to suggest a 22 Creedmoor cartridge on record. The 22 Creedmoor is a wildcat caliber you get by necking down a 6.5mm Creedmoor to .22 cal. Im up to 3 pronghorn and a pig with my 223 shooting 70 grain tsx, at reasonable ranges. Barrel life variable depend on your rifle, barrel, load, velocity and bullet. Filed Under: Guides Tagged With: caliber, cartridges, what load data for the 75 eld bullet powder brand a nd charge. Within the shooting industry, there are all kinds of niche markets today. First you have to define "barrel life" and then you have to consider the number one enemy to the barrel, heat and pressure. A .250 diameter neck will typically provide desirable results for both as long as you are running an expander ball of the appropriate diameter in your die. I'm not worrying about getting a new barrel at the moment. I've worked up a couple different loads with slower powders. 22 creedmoor is SUPERIOR to 22-250 AND 220 swift. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This rifle is an absolute nightmare on Coyotes, Feral Hogs, Prairie Dogs, and Whitetail Deer. The 22-250 will have a much shorter barrel life than the 6.5 CM. Our hair was long, wed wear cut off Navy dungarees, (jeans), Navy chambray shirts with the sleeves removedwe would shoot enormous amounts of ammunition, we basically looked like 180 degree out of phase squids>>>(sailors). The 22 Creedmoor or 22CM as some call it, was bound to happen at some point as almost every new caliber or cartridge created, gets necked down to a wildcat with a lighter bullet for more speed at some point in time, however the exact person to first do it is still to be confirmed. Muzzle Energy: 3975ft-lbs Effective Range at Sea-Level Pressure: 1440 meters Accurate Barrel Life: 1003 Rounds Load #2 Bullet: Hornady 195gr ELD Match Propellant Load: 75.5gr of Vihtavuori N165 Muzzle Velocity: 2932fps Muzzle Energy: 3738ft-lbs Effective Range at Sea-Level Pressure: 1390 meters Accurate Barrel Life: 1895 Rounds Load #3 And finally, as demonstrated by the example above, shoot less-powerful cartridges. The second was for shooting PRS (Precision Rifle Series) style matches on occasion, and the third was for hunting deer sized game. 10 shots averaged 3510 at 45 degrees. Last season, after my . More importantly, why all the fuss? A new, stainless steel barrel finished and installed should run you from about $500 to $1,000 depending on length, contour, brand, and who's doing the installation. I'm going to try out 22x47L once this barrel is toast. Features & Specifications Remington 700 Action, Cylindrically Ground (Converted to Side Bolt Release) Rail Screw Threads Opened Up to 8/40 (Action Re-Blued) Shilen Alternut Installed BDL, Accepts Standard AICS 3901 & 3902 Magazines 26" Shilen Match Barrel (4 Groove Rachet Rifling) Twist: 1:7.5 Chambered by Shilen in 22 Creedmoor It was great for about 3 years. but 22% less than a .270 Winchester. Please email or call us if you would like an estimated time of arrival.After turning down the barrel, we jacket a 416R Stainless steel match barrel in a roll-wrapped carbon fiber sleeve and load it under tension. But at the end of the day, a rifle is made to be enjoyed, so dont hold back on shooting your rifle over concerns of losing accuracy, but rather enjoy the rifle and monitor barrel life so that you can prepare for a replacement when one is due. The original 6XC chambering was designed based off the usage of 22-250 brass which typically has a web diameter in the range of .461-.463. APR Maverick 22 Creedmoor - Alamo Precision Rifles APR Maverick 22 Creedmoor Sold! I'll elaborate more on 25 Creedmoor in future stories! Nobody routinely uses a 45-70 or a 30-30 where they anticipate regular shots at over 100-150 yards; stupid comparison. Anyone try the custom whiddens? Especially when shooters experience the high speed and low drop these 22 Creedmoor rounds offer, and in a cartridge that can cycle in almost all standard short action magazines. The process for making that brass was easy enough, but still, somewhat time-consuming. I took many deer with that rifle with an 87gr. Buzz, 8405 HWY 22 Want One? I'm currently shooting a rifle I built with a Bartlein 1:7.7 twist M24 taper with a Brownells Stryker Ridge action (made by Defiance) in a Manners EH1. I presume the Alpha brass is good too. But I am interested in this apparent incongruity. The old deer hunting go-to 30-30 caliber 150 grn bullet drops below the 800 ft-lb mark at about 225 yards. Thought I'd post this here since there was discussion of barrel life. Why is this? As a 450 yard deer cartridge. Your email address will not be published. If I was to do it over again, I would build a lighter hunting weight rifle, which in reality would mean just a slimmer barrel and dropping down to a Nightforce NX8 2.5- 20x scope. A longer barrel generally costs more. others are using non magnum but its what I have and im getting single ES with them so im not changing it. After hundreds of comments, phone calls, and mess. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The 6XC II Chamber works perfectly with the Norma 6XC brass and resolves the sticky bolt lift issue. BAck in the 70s we used to shoot 85gr Sierra hollow point boat tail bullets in our 6mm Rems. Required fields are marked *. You are using an out of date browser. Creating a 22 Creedmoor chambered rifle is also fairly simple, you simply use the action of a rifle, or a rifle with a compatible bolt face and action length as can be seen on our bolt face database, and then have a gunsmith chamber and fit a .224 barrel to it. The 22 Creedmoor trim length for cases is 1.910. (Even if they are NOT improvements worth mentioning!) I dont really care for comparisons based on different caliber rounds. What is the MSP. It's a precision rifle caliber and whether it's hunting ammo, target ammo, or long range ammo, it's all match grade kind of stuff. But the stand was in the middle of a little woods. But the popularity of this round, although not gaining momentum as fast as the 6.5mm Creedmoor, or the new 224 Valkyrie has (admittedly because it is not marketed as much by manufacturers because it means normal current Creedmoor rifles can easily be converted to 22 Creedmoor), is starting to gather speed. The old standard would have dropped a rainbow-like curve of 12.6 mils at the 1000-yard mark. Because of the velocities achieved by the 22 Creedmoor out of most barrel lengths, many varmint shooter favor a 22 Creedmoor short barrel rifle for ease of handling but still offering varmint velocities. Everyone is in the .45 ACP vs the tiny 9mm for a couple of years..then they ALL switch to the side of the deeper hitting 9mm! You can use a full length (no bushing) sizing die to go from 6mm all the way to 22cal in one step, so long as the die is of good quality. IN something like this with such a short barrel life.I am of the opinion that once I find a load that works, I stick with it. Federal and CCI offerings are most popular. This is a distinct step up in performance. I had a rifle built by Meredith Rifles, using a Defiance action, Bartlein barrel, Manners stock andNightforcescope. At this point we can say that it has reached the end of its barrel life, and seek a replacement. The TSXs in my experience have been overperformers, big time. Please keep this thread to actual reloading information, and if you can please post some round count, barrel life numbers are all over the place. Here []. We would even recommend it above 6mm competition calibers in precision shooting matches under 800 yards other than PRS matches with their 3,200 fps limit. The oldest actual proof of the 22 Creedmoor caliber in a rifle, being an image uploaded on a McWhorter Custom Rifles blog post about the 22 Creedmoor caliber round and the speed achieved by one shot on 22 September 2012. A MAGPUL magazine well kit was added. We had unlimited access, unlimited use, unlimited quantity of ammunition, fired rounds at night, morning, afternoon, black sky, full moon, rain, fog, cold, hot>>> yada yada yada..we had an awful lot of fun just chewing up ammunition and testing all that we could. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. I will try again later using faster burning powders but for now back to the proven. We strive to send out a newsletter each month to show new products, updates to the site, and give updates on what we have planned. So I was reading this article that says barrel life on a 6.5 Creedmoor is about 2500 rounds. We have found some 22 Creedmoor shooters pucking the bullet speeds in excess of 3400 fps to get around 1200 to 1400 shots out of their barrels, and some have been able to extend that with proper barrel care life letting the barrel cool between firing strings, and hBN coating their bullets. Id tell them that my Dad was a Senator on a military senate sub-committeetheyd believe me. If you get open shots at deer, those little hollow points really ground them. When I add to my collection very little leaves on the other side. I learned a few things from it, in the Marine Corps we kept barrel logs for our M40A1s. Making the 6mm BRX is easy and involves loading up 6mm BR brass and fire forming it in a 6mm BRX chamber (the fire forming loads can also be very accurate). The 22 Creedmoor finds itself in the perfect configuration for functionality with heavy bullets within short action magazine system limitations. This item can be shipped to United States. It was released in 2007 by Hornady and Creedmoor Sports. Thankfully though, there are many companies now including Hornady, Peterson, Alpha Munitions and a few more, making 22 Creedmoor brass cases. Why was it not compared to any of the mainstream big boomer .22 calibers, e.g. Big bore vs small bore, back and forth FOREVER. Using gunwerks 6creed brass and fed 210m primers. I tried to find an email for Mr. Cramblit with no luck. Clean kill yes indeed, but not a pretty sight. I love that gun..I have NEVER shot it..but I love it anyway! I had a stand at the top of a rocky hill, surrounded by field. Part of the beauty of the 22 CM is that it shoots standard .224 caliber bullets that are available almost everywhere for the hand loaders and cost less than larger caliber bullets. Well, Im always a bit skeptical of studies and statistics since they can easily be swayed depending on what is included or excluded in the study, or how the study process is conducted. Maybe not the article to raise this point. Just thought I'd update here. This went on off and on.for three yearswe were the Naval Aviation version of M.A.S.H. Since individual rifles can vary I dont know whether it was wear or not. Well, the good news is the 22 CM seems to have all the energy needed for the task. Poor cleaning practices can reduce the life of a barrel by damaging rifling. He has followed that passion for over 30 years, hunting and competing in practical pistol, 3gun, precision rifle and sporting clays matches. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Craddock Precision Winchester Model 70 Super Grade AAAA Maple Walnut - 6.5 Creedmoor - 22" . Ive seen claims of 80 grain Bergers @ 3500 fps out of 26 barrels, which would be devastating on any varmint. The gamut ran from .22 to 20 MM. All harvests have been one shot kills. It flipped him over backwards and he never so much as twitched his tail. The same user claimed in another post comment on 29 October 2013 that GA Precision built his 22 Creedmoor rifle more than a year and a half earlier, which if true would make their 22 Creedmoor rifle the first one created in early half of 2012, possibly unlikely as the same user was still asking about a custom 22-250 action rifle and mag feeding ammo out of it in a 13 December 2012 post, showing that it has possibly not been made by then yet. Such as the 22-250 as mentioned before, (that I have loved for over 45 years now!) Looking forward to using it for predators. 6.5 Creedmoor barrels are made by the dwarven brothers Sindri and Brokkr. . I'm starting to collect parts for a 22 Creedmoor build. No matter the reason why they are developed, but whether or not new cartridges stay and become accepted in the shooting community, depends on the shooters, and if they are requested from rifle builders and manufacturers, and used in competitions or in the field. These cartridges include (from left) the .22-250 Remington, .22 Creedmoor and .22-250 Ackley Improved. It's an 1:11 finished at 28". Seriously doubt any significant difference. At really long ranges, the 6.5 Creedmoor is less affected by wind, making it less critical of wind calls. Both these rounds are considered fantastic for long-range shooting. Being based off the 6.5 CM cartridge case, the 22 CM runs in short action rifles and feeds smoothly from SA magazines produced by many manufacturers. I'm about to replace the barrel in this rifle after approximately 800 rounds. The heavier bullets being used in the 22 CM range from 75-95 grains. The item "Thompson Center Encore SS PH 3007599 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel-NEW" is in sale since Saturday, June 26, 2021. View Details . Please be sure of your Savages' shank size before placing . For brass you might look into Alpha Brass. Do you think 45gr of R26 would be a good starting point? From the loaders manual, the stated velocity was 3300 FPS. I know several folks including myself have been playing with the 22 creedmoor for a while now. 22 creedmoor brass is hard to find right now, and I didn't want to shoot hornady brass. We have mentioned it a few times throughout this article so far, but really to reiterate, Lemi Shine works wonders for cleaning brass, removing the ugly green hue sometimes left after tumbling brass in a wet tumbler, and leaving the brass looking shinier than when it was new. Handloading, Rotate between two or three rifles, thus spreading out the number of rounds fired through each barrel. So check out the details and run the numbers yourself and consider one for your next rifle build. Showing all 21 results. If you've neck turned, it will be closer to .252". A word of caution though, at the speeds delivered by the 75, 80 or 90gr bullets in this cartridge, combined with the expansion ability of ballistic tipped bullets, you should rather aim for head shots to prevent meat damage when hunting deer or other animals for meat, and not at all when hunting for trophies, we have seen this same 75gr bullet that cleanly took down the Zebra above, also remove the top half of a Impalas head on another occasion. This is known as a barrel log. Rather than gripe, i got out of my tree and left it to the combat hunters. The 22-250AI was always an option, but many folks weren't accepting of fire forming. The Kimber K6 Deep Cover The Snubnose for Today. I know guys that run anything from 22-26" barrels, 1-6.5 to 1-7 is what you'll need for the heaviest bullets. Everyone I know that uses one considers it to be a 50-150 yard gun, at best! Your email address will not be published. It's a cool cartridge for sure. Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience with us Mike. Some specifically concentrate on varmint hunting, or coyote hunting, while others concentrate on high volume deer hunting or major game like elk and moose. Im not saying the 22 CM is anywhere close to becoming a big factory rifle/cartridge offering any time soon; but it is gaining industry support, with brass, dies, ammunition on the market. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Your favorite large rifle or small rifle magnum primer. ammo review, Your observation sounds spot on. 22 Creedmoor is also often mispelled as 22 Creedmoore or Creedmore, it is also often called the 22 6.5 Creedmoor denoting the main 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge that it was developed from. How does 22CM compare to a 22-250 with a 1-7.5 twist ? The Creedmoor gets its longrange performance reputation from a combination of 140- to 143-grain, high B.C. Proudly powered by. Bipods and Rests . Mark I shoot a 22-6mm rem which is a touch faster but very similar in performance. The answer also relies heavily on your goals; a benchrest shooter will consider a barrel shot-out long before a hunter will. or 55 gr. Im running a 21 Shilen 1-8 twist and I have excellent accuracy with 80gr smk, 80 eld-m and 88gr eld-m bullets. For more information about keeping a Shooting Record Book, read our article titled: How to Estimate Range with the Mil-Dot Reticle (Subheading: How to Determine Target Size). Skip to content. I stopped buying them after a while..its just repeating over and over. I thought my barrel was toast with around 900 rounds but I shot this yesterday at 100. energy at a recoil velocity of 12 fps. The general "rule" about barrel life concerns bullet diameter versus the cartridge's shoulder diameter ratio. Want to become an expert on reloading, or just gain the knowledge needed to get started, here is a list of the best reloading books available. At our 22 Creedmoor muzzle velocity of 3550fps the Hornady 75gr ELD-M bullets produces around 2099 ft.lbs of energy, taking it close to medium 6mm bullets or light 308 Winchester rounds. Anyone have load data for 22 creedmoor 50 gr. Is Cheap Thermal Worth It? No doubt it could be run hotter, but I don't believe the 22 Creedmoor should be ran above 3500fps with an 80gr, even with this amazing brass from Alpha Munitions. Mine is throated long, twisted fast and loaded hot but I'm able to sling 95gr SMKs at 3200fps from a 22 inch tube with H4350. You must log in or register to reply here. Your email address will not be published. A barrels life expectancy is caliber dependant, and may range anywhere from 1000 rounds to 6000 rounds or more. I've done extensive testing with several of the latest batches of headstamped 22 Creedmoor brass. Never Dock after all of this three and a half years of what was basically partying at the governments expense..so I left the Navy. In our research though, it seems to have been made first either by George Gardner of GA Precision or by Tim McWhorter of McWhorter Custom Rifles. The first of these wildcats to make it to the big league was the 6mm Creedmoor; now a SAAMI approved cartridge with rifles offered by many manufacturers. He has been featured on several of Outdoor Channels Shooting Gallery episodes and on a Downrange TV series. as the 88gr eldm so Id assume they would stabilize in a 1-8 twist but I havent tried them or the 95gr. Leaning toward the more conservative number of 1300 ft-lbs, the same 22 CM bullets combinations are good out to 300- 400 yards. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Related Tags: Bolt Face & Action Database - LoadDevelopment.com, Why The 6.5 Creedmoor Is The Best Overall Cartridge, Cartridge Reloading Shell Holder Reference Chart. In front of me was a dry wash I could see deer enter it on one end and pop out about 100 yards in front of me. Gotta love the experts who denounce new cartridges as useless just because they own something similar. All Local Sales are FREE! I have rifles chambered in both 6.5 and 6mm Creedmoor (CM) but the 22 CM has captured my attention. You guys all using 6 Creedmoor dies with different bushings? Research shows that recommendations range from 800 ft-lbs to 1300 ft-lbs. Then the 22 CM would be right at home in the field where it belongs. I can not speak to the virtures of Alpha brass, but I haven't heard any complaints about their other offerings. Required fields are marked *. There are not yet 22 Creedmoor SAAMI specifications, however with the popularity of the cartridge and how its use has become widespread, we should soon see SAAMI release drawings a specifications for it. Most shooters first roll their eyes when hearing you say you have a 22 Creedmoor, just hearing the word Creedmoor, but they often do a double take a second or two later and ask, 22?. A highly accurate, easy to shoot rifle with a flat trajectory will make for confident hunting. We used a Tikka T3 Stainless Action from a rifle originally chambered in 308 Win, fitted a .224 Krieger barrel on it with the chamber cut for a 22 Creedmoor, and now we have a superb Tikka 22 Creedmoor. But that's not the main selling point. Just as they were done, Loki, disguised as a fly, bit Sindri on the elbow causing all 6.5 barrels forged to wear out at 4000 rounds but be extremely accurate There are a number of things that a shooter can do to reduce barrel wear. JavaScript is disabled. There are many factors that determine the number of shots a barrel can take before the lands and rifling become worn to a point where the accuracy suffers. Dies, brass are coming out now, powders and GREAT bullets are already here. One of the easiest ways is to select a cartridge load that does not necessarily produce the fastest muzzle velocity, but rather considers barrel life versus effective range and stopping power; settling on a favourable compromise. Hmmm, how long ago did Beanland build your rifle? MFG #: FCTR22CM24BF. After the initial hype of the 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridge, it seems to have kept growing commercially in popularity, with 6.5 Creedmoor chambered factory rifles available from most of the large manufacturers and loaded ammo in this caliber readily available on most shelves in the US. I was able to get a very consistent load with an 80gr Berger VLD Target in the 3450fps range that produced 45 firings on the brass. Proof was posted where McWorther custom rifles having already built and chambered on in 2012, so your reamer records were checked incorrectly. I believe it will gain a true following like it's big brothers. The net result is the 6mm BRX []. Note, I shoot without stopping so much so that bullets will discolor sitting in the chamber. It's a cool cartridge for sure. Want to know why speed matter for Coyotes and Varmints? Made to order we strive for a 2-3 week turn time when blanks are on hand (please email/call for current availability), we get Bartlein blanks weekly so lead times do vary. Some might not want to fireform especially in todays situation, BUT for me I found lapua brass in 22-250, and that was the deal breaker for me. 6548306D-74FF-424F-A172-75F117B1FDBE.jpeg. When did the 30-30 change from a brush gun to a 200 plus yard tack driver?? Please double check the 500 yd energy of the 308 168 SMK. One concern that might need to be considered with a cartridge such as the .22 Creedmoor is that barrel life probably won't be all that great. Loaded ammunition is available with bullets in the 70-75 range leaving 24 barrels at velocities around 3400+ fps, a bit more conservative than personal hand-loading, but still making it a very flat shooting, low recoiling round delivering impressive results. The seller is "hausofarms-tc4me" and is located in Elizabeth, Colorado. For those wanting to know more about the .22 Creedmoor, check out this video we put together for you below! No doubt running a heavier bullet with both the aforementioned cartridges could have eased my troubles, but I was quite interested in the Creedmoor and wanted to try it out. Alpha munitions should have some 22 Creedmoor brass available in February. 24" 1:7 5R. The first rounds I loaded were made by necking down readily available 6mm CM cases before 22 Creedmoor head-stamped brass was available. Thorley enjoyed reading your article on Barrel Life. Like most things Creedmoor the performance of the CM is exaggerated by pitting the highest BC bullets against standard 308 bullets and even getting that data completely wrong. You are using an out of date browser. Yet the 22-243 had obstacles of its own, with it often having somewhat narrow and finicky accuracy nodes. Survival Gear . The 22 CM drops below that 800 ft-lb threshold at between 600 to 775 yards depending on the bullet and velocity of Copper Creek's different offerings. The accuracy nodes are wide and forgiving, the feeding is boringly reliable, and the performance out in the world has been dominating. I must say I was impressed that it was still sufficiently accurate for its purpose. It's definitely a fun little barrel burner, but I think the brass is the biggest downfall for me. Name Phone Number Email Message Fierce Firearms FCTR22CM24BF CT Rival 22 Creedmoor Caliber with 4+1 Capacity, 24 in Carbon Fiber Barrel, Black Cerakote Metal Finish, & Forest Green Fixed Fierce Tech C3 Stock Right Hand (Full Size) Hinterland #: 174586. It would be nice if you could just stick to the facts instead of trying to inflate performance by straight up lying about 308. a 168gr 308 at 500yards, is over 1100ft/lbs, did you get your data from Wikipedia? 22 Creedmoor. So, was a 22 CM worth spending the time and money to build? The Creedmoor in 22 Creedmoor denotes the fact that it comes from a 6.5mm Creedmoor which has been necked down to accept a .224 bullet, the Creedmoor in 6.5mm Creedmoor in turn comes from Creedmoor Sports, for whom the 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridge was developed by Hornady and Creedmoor Sports jointly. To put it into context, a credit card is around 0.032" thick, so the amount of erosion we're talking about over the life of a barrel is barely more . This is something that plagued me with the traditional 22-250 and caried over into the 22-243win I ran prior to switching to the 22 Creedmoor. The oldest actual talk or mention of a 22 Creedmoor caliber or cartridge being a comment suggestion made by Chad Dixon from Long Rifles Inc. on another SnipersHide post on 19 September 2012, in response to another user wondering about shooting 90gr bullets from a 220 swift. It has wide forgiving sweetspots, which makes it inherently accurate even for the most novice reloaders, and the velocity combined with the ballistic coefficients of the .224 bullets in 75, 80, 88 and 90gr are so good, that wind does not bother it as much as even larger calibers.