Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. Peace. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. Great job adding a bit of levity! Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. Thats sweet. Hypocrites! Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. The two are completely unrelated. 24. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). We ARE the church my friend! Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among 16. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. Romans 5:8 Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? No one is "born into the church." Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The two are completely unrelated. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. Mind your own business. Such as??? I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. 47. I love devotions with the Lord. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. All I do is reply to comments. You are correct! 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. They all work together. Praise the lord for forgiveness. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. Wow. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. N/A 5 Everything they do is for show. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. Care to elaborate, provide examples? The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? 49. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). Thanks. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. No member shall We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. This is the first and great commandment. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. Correction is my discernment. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. I prefer Kjv! 8. N/A Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. N/A We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. Thank God for grace! Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). Yes, see my answer to your first question. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? 24 Blind guides! Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). That makes no sense. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Jesus does that. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. Its about Jesus. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. It didnt raise red flags for me. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. I am also against body piercings as well. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. I thought youd like that. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. ? You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. For they dont practice what they teach. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. I have no opinion on this You might My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. (2 Cor. These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. 41. around the world wherever our Lord directs. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! I have read other versions of the Bible. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. 2. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? I truly dont understand this one, ha! For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. 33. Matthew 6:14-15 If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. 4,2, and 7 month old. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 16 Blind guides! What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. Oh well, maybe another discussion. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas.